tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post8405338941624593125..comments2024-01-07T08:41:13.864-05:00Comments on C A I T I - O N L I N E: Iggy’s morally contemptible words?Brent Fullardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08515599756822506137noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-57446791442831072752009-05-21T07:51:19.096-04:002009-05-21T07:51:19.096-04:00it was this statement by Steyn that prompted me to...it was this statement by Steyn that prompted me to bring up the Income Trust Tax issue with Brent<br /><br />"…. this may be the most morally contemptible statement by a Canadian party leader since Confederation. (I’d be interested in alternative bids for that title, if you know of any. ….)"<br /><br />Remove that statement and you are quite right; there is absolutely no connection between Steyn's column and the IT tax issue. However, he did make the statement, and I found it just as offensive as Steyn claims to find Ignatieff's. Iggy's statement is a single paragraph of no particular prominence out of a book, and it's impact will be somewhere between zero and trivial. Harper's statement was a significant commitment made repeatedly and emphatically, subsequently shown to have been made without any real commitment, and he knew (or ought to have known) that his failure to follow through on that commitment would cause substantial economic damage to many people, as in fact it did. Iggy's statement is a pimple, Harper's was a tumor.<br /><br />As for Chretien and his GST promise, I would make a couple of distinctions. Chretien promised to do something and didn't do it whereas Harper promised not to do something and then did it. And personally I never believed Chretien would scrap the GST, while I did believe (to my cost) that Harper would keep his word. But these are quibbles. I agree that Chretien can also be judged as making a morally contemptible statement, and one far worse than Iggy's. <br /><br />But nowhere near as bad as Harper's.<br /><br />TeRothFilliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-532808837596605762009-05-20T08:37:39.073-04:002009-05-20T08:37:39.073-04:00William:
I repeat:
"In case you didn't know thi...William:<br /><br />I repeat: <br /><br />"In case you didn't know this, a truly ignorant person is one who does not admit to what they don't know."<br /><br />In that case, your ingorance is boundless.Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-68464087165865427422009-05-20T08:18:14.809-04:002009-05-20T08:18:14.809-04:00"I case you didn't know this, a truly ignorant per..."I case you didn't know this, a truly ignorant person is one who does not admit to what they don't know."<br /><br />The reason I didn't know that is that it isn't true. Add that to my list of words you don't know the meaning of. The Oxford English Dictionary, which is rather more authoritative than Wikipedia, defines "ignorant" as "lacking knowledge; uninformed". You in a nutshell.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030194130879517583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-77900862916106432272009-05-20T08:16:23.864-04:002009-05-20T08:16:23.864-04:00William:
No it is you who do not understand the m...William:<br /><br />No it is you who do not understand the meaning of the word "respond". I will respond in any manner that I wish and not simply on the basis that was falsely created in your mind by "most famous columnist in your own country is".<br /><br />By the way, how can someone qualify as "most famous columnist in your own country is", when the residents of MY COUNTRY have never heard of this guy before?<br /><br />What else do you want to tell me about a country that I was borne in, that I would never dare or deign to tell you about your country of Australia.<br /><br />You people are a bunch of Mark Steyn Phylis Steyn's.<br /><br />As for your sad comment and claimn that all I know about is income trusts, is just further proof of your philistine mindset (an argument in terms).Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-51595109715032105952009-05-20T06:31:57.812-04:002009-05-20T06:31:57.812-04:00boredblogger said...
" Oh, I do so like that I...boredblogger said...<br /><br /> " Oh, I do so like that I pissed you off."<br /><br />I guess that makes you an irritating idiot, just like your deity Phylis Steyn.....the goal of whom is apparemtly to piss off others.<br /><br />Quite the goal in life to have? Keep up the good work. Not.Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-87433456858945801182009-05-20T06:28:24.312-04:002009-05-20T06:28:24.312-04:00William:
I case you didn't know this, a truly ign...William:<br /><br />I case you didn't know this, a truly ignorant person is one who does not admit to what they don't know. A good example would be PM Stephen Harper or FM Jim Flaherty when it comes to financial matters.<br /><br />Sorry you feel the prurient need to vilify me because I haven't heard of this Mark Steyn (your deity) dude.<br /><br />In case you didnt know it, there are 6 billion people on this planet engaged in many walks of life.<br /><br />Not knowing who Mark Steyn is, my FIRST reaction was to find out more. Upon reading Wikipedia I realized I hadnt missed out on much and that Mark Steyn would probably be one of the last one hundred thousand of six billion people on this earth that I would want to know or talk to or learn of his opinions on what constitutes contemptible versus non-contemptible.<br /><br />As for you, have a nice day:<br /><br />From Wikipedia:<br /><br />"Steyn's writing draws supporters and detractors for content. His style was described by Robert Fulford as “bring[ing] to public affairs the dark comedy developed in the Theatre of the Absurd."[4] Longtime editor and admirer Fulford also wrote, "Steyn, a self-styled 'right-wing bastard,' violates everyone's sense of good taste."[4] According to Simon Mann, Steyn “gives succour to the maxim the pen is mightier than the sword, though he is not averse to employing the former to advocate use of the latter."[3]<br /><br />Susan Catto in Time noted his interest in controversy, "Instead of shying away from the appearance of conflict, Steyn positively revels in it."[5] Canadian journalist Steve Burgess wrote "Steyn wields his rhetorical rapier with genuine skill" and that national disasters tended to cause Steyn "to display his inner wingnut."[6] Lionel Shriver wrote, "I love Mark Steyn ...however you may deplore his opinions, Steyn is funny." [7]<br /><br />Others have been less approving. For instance, Andrew Sullivan of The Atlantic wrote that Steyn was, "...long on colorful rhetoric but short on dry facts."[8] British journalist Johann Hari wrote in the New Statesman: "Steyn's prose has a jangling musicality; like Ann Coulter, he writes in a demonic demotic that makes you chuckle even as you retch."[9]"Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-1266151259742201342009-05-20T01:02:47.250-04:002009-05-20T01:02:47.250-04:00You waved around your contributions to the Winnipe...You waved around your contributions to the Winnipeg Sun and the Hill Times (neither of which I've heard of, not being Canadian) in the apparent expectation that people are going to be impressed. Which I suppose is fair enough, up to your own point. However, it behoves you to extend the same courtesy to Mark Steyn. He's written not only for Macleans, but for the Times of London, The Daily Telegraph, The Spectator, The National Review, The Washington Post, The Washington Times, The Jerusalem Post and The Australian, just going off the top of my head. It doesn't follow that you have to admire his work, but you should realise that your ignorance of him is just that - ignorance. It's in your own interests to recognise that this "whomever the hell that is" stuff, coming from someone as obscure as yourself, just makes you look stupid - and not just to the more obnoxious members of Mark Steyn's cheer squad.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030194130879517583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-17745388997209818312009-05-19T22:39:58.486-04:002009-05-19T22:39:58.486-04:00Oh, I do so like that I pissed you off.
Goodbye.Oh, I do so like that I pissed you off.<br /><br />Goodbye.boredbloggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-41716661502962278132009-05-19T22:24:00.164-04:002009-05-19T22:24:00.164-04:00Boredblogger:
Are you sure your handle shouldn't ...Boredblogger:<br /><br />Are you sure your handle shouldn't be confusedblogger, as you are the philistines in this crowd, as in phylis steyn's, which is the point I made a long. long time ago, when this Steyn person led all his phollowers to this site.<br /><br />The locusts that you all are.<br /><br />Re: "Can we PLEASE have a new reader of the day?"<br /><br />Yes indeed....PLEASE!<br /><br />Why don't you leave by mutual consent, and ask your leader to get a new "whatever of the day", so he can direct your vitriol somewhere else where it has the hope of serving some end purpose?Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-21516064997059405772009-05-19T22:18:12.450-04:002009-05-19T22:18:12.450-04:00tdotTIm:
You're right. This Steyn guy seems like ...tdotTIm:<br /><br />You're right. This Steyn guy seems like a master at failed expectations.Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-69750560780980934882009-05-19T22:15:30.847-04:002009-05-19T22:15:30.847-04:00Message to Mark Steyn, if you read this:
Can we P...Message to Mark Steyn, if you read this:<br /><br />Can we PLEASE have a new reader of the day?<br /><br />This one is a dumb, self-absorbed philistine. Boring too. <br /><br />As someone pointed out- let out of the mental home for the weekend. <br /><br />Thanks.boredbloggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-81305413990101057972009-05-19T21:51:48.400-04:002009-05-19T21:51:48.400-04:00I curse Mark Steyn for leading me to blogs that fa...I curse Mark Steyn for leading me to blogs that fail in such epic proportions...although it does often have the comedic value of watching a good Christopher Guest character.tdotTimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-88059390615633613952009-05-19T14:48:00.000-04:002009-05-19T14:48:00.000-04:00Anonymous the anonymous wimp said:
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That's the s...Anonymous the anonymous wimp said:<br /><br />"<br />That's the second bizarre non sequitur on this thread. Abandon logic, all who enter here."<br /><br />So now I am responsible for the readers' comments as well as the readers' false hopes that I had any intention of debating the merits of Steyn's diatribe on Ignatieff, despite the fact that wasn't what I was tasked to do by the person who brought Steyn's rant to my attention?<br /><br />You people are pathetic, and a bunch of die hard philistines, but you sure put up lame arguments that are easily dispensed with, as you are the one's who have abandoned all logic.Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-45140914980771433772009-05-19T14:44:00.000-04:002009-05-19T14:44:00.000-04:00Anonymous R clarkson said...
"Just have the dece...Anonymous R clarkson said...<br /><br />"Just have the decency not to use the deaths of innocent children as the vehicle for expressing your discontent."<br /><br />And just who is doing that, apart from the Apostle Mark Steyn, David Steyn. Phylis Steyn or whatever his/he name is?Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-1580016739722908372009-05-19T13:25:00.000-04:002009-05-19T13:25:00.000-04:00Gentlemen,
Dissenting commenters are not, repeat ...Gentlemen,<br /><br />Dissenting commenters are not, repeat not, commenting in any way, shape or form on income trusts. They do not take issue or sides with income trusts. They are commenting only on the inexplicable link of income trusts with the tragic deaths, some would say murder, of innocent children.<br /><br />I have no dog in the income trust fight. I have little interest in the income trust issue. I have no interest in debating the merits, pro or con, of the income trust issue.<br /><br />Debate the income trust issue to your heart's content. Write letters to your member of parliament about income trusts. Present facts to your heart's content about income trusts. Organize a rally and block the Gardiner Expressway to protest the income trust decision. Write letters to the editor of your local newspaper about income trusts. Organize a local chapter of Income Trust Anonymous. Worry about income trust dissenters wearing white sheets and burning crosses on your lawn if it pleases you. Buy billboards to express your discontent with income trust legislation. In short, feel free to make income trust legislation the defining issue in your life if you wish. Some or many of the posters here may even agree with your position on income trusts.<br /><br />Just have the decency not to use the deaths of innocent children as the vehicle for expressing your discontent.R clarksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-35166473156890995132009-05-19T12:28:00.000-04:002009-05-19T12:28:00.000-04:00Hey Robert
Thanks for using your name---that piss...Hey Robert<br /><br />Thanks for using your name---that pisses me off to no end when people do not have the cojones to back themselves.<br /><br />Our goal is the abolition of the trust tax---nothing else.<br /><br />We have had no luck convincing the gov`t otherwise as they will not listen to reason.<br /><br />Since it`s imposition the country is losing over a billion a year in tax revenue---this will climb to over 7 billion per year in 2011---all because of the trust tax.<br /><br />Seniors cannot adequately fund their retirements because of the loss of revenue because of this tax.<br /><br />Our assets are being sold-off to foreign & private interests as a direct result of this tax.<br /><br />It is a bad tax.<br /><br />Now prove me wrong.<br /><br />Dr Mike PopovichDr Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915911929286615081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-92224076481017761232009-05-19T12:17:00.000-04:002009-05-19T12:17:00.000-04:00This CAITI post is, quite simply, morally contempt...This CAITI post is, quite simply, morally contemptible. The cynical manipulation of the tragic death of these children in order to inexplicably segue into a diatribe of picayune complaints against Harper for making their wallet thinner is beneath contempt.<br /><br />As for Dr Mike Popovich, who wrote:<br /> "Who the hell is Mark Steyn??<br />I had not heard of him until this blog article & I have since checked-out his site which seems "ok" at best.<br />I will contact him & ask him the questions that Mr Fullard has posed re : income trusts.<br />I will be interested in what facts he will present to back-up his case."<br /><br />I fervently hope that the good doctor is not in the medical field. It would appear from his postings that, were he to require a consult for a patient's kidney disorder he would likely call Dr. Dawg.<br /><br />"Someone who is but a white bed sheet & a burning cross away from my greatest fear."<br /><br />Then again, I suspect that the "doctor" also lays claim to the title Napoleon when he's off his meds.<br /><br />Robert ClarksonR Clarksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-78229240163424048682009-05-19T12:15:00.000-04:002009-05-19T12:15:00.000-04:00Anonymous
Let`s clear this up once & for all-...Anonymous<br /><br />Let`s clear this up once & for all--who are you & what do you want.<br /><br />You are the one who lives in fear of the truth or you would leave your real name.<br /><br />This blog is neither Conservative or Liberal , Dipper or Green--we are here to fight for the rights of the trust investor--that`s it , nada thing else.<br /><br />Do you support the trust tax & why.<br /><br />You sound like you may have all the facts , so let`s hear them.<br /><br />Our simple effort is only to remove the trust tax because we have the proof that it was all a scam & a lie based upon what we now know to be a false premise.<br /><br />Show your stuff---let us know your name---show us the way.<br /><br />Dr Mike Popovich (retired--yes it is really true)<br />Rodney OntDr Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915911929286615081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-51118023182293236832009-05-19T12:03:00.000-04:002009-05-19T12:03:00.000-04:00"Someone who has no facts or is at least afra..."Someone who has no facts or is at least afraid to display them.<br /><br />Someone who is but a white bed sheet & a burning cross away from my greatest fear.<br /><br />I was a Con for over 36 years & I know from where you are coming.<br /><br />Dr Mike Popovich"<br /><br />"Dr" (let's hope that's not true) Mike may have been a Con as in convict or con-artist but he certainly was not remotely a conservative unless it was purely fiscal. No one abandons decades of common sense to start jumping from an innocuous comment to burning crosses. Is that you Hedy Fry? That kind of racist paranoia where everything including the weather is related to race dwells on the left.<br /><br />That's the second bizarre non sequitur on this thread. Abandon logic, all who enter here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-5247763992484550842009-05-19T10:04:00.000-04:002009-05-19T10:04:00.000-04:00Andrea
Mark Steyn seems to be a knowledgeable guy...Andrea<br /><br />Mark Steyn seems to be a knowledgeable guy on many diverse subjects & as such I would value his opinion re: income trust tax as it relates to the Tax Fairness Plan & "tax leakage".<br /><br />Just because he has not written on the subject does not mean that he would not have a valuable opinion as this subject affects everyone in this country & not just those who invested directly.<br /><br />I am sure you must have an opinion.<br /><br />Please let us know what it is & give proof to back-up your points.<br /><br />I am anxious to hear your response.<br /><br />Dr Mike PopovichDr Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915911929286615081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-28390162777248876522009-05-19T09:18:00.000-04:002009-05-19T09:18:00.000-04:00Andrea:
You are obviously one of Phylis Steyn's a...Andrea:<br /><br />You are obviously one of Phylis Steyn's ardent phollowers:<br /><br />From Wkipedia:<br /><br />Philistinism is a derogatory term used to describe a particular attitude or set of values. A person called a Philistine (in the relevant sense), is said to despise or undervalue art, beauty, intellectual content, and/or spiritual values. Philistines are also said to be materialistic, to favor conventional social values unthinkingly, and to favour forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal (e.g. kitsch).<br /><br />Philistinism affords a contrast to Bohemianism, as the character of a smugly conventional bourgeois social group perceived to lack all the desirably soulful 'bohemian' characteristics, especially an artistic temperament and a broad cultural horizon open to the avant-garde. To the chosen few, the 'Philistines' embodied a smug, anti-intellectual threatening majority, in the 'culture wars' of the 19th century.<br /><br />Goethe had several comments on the type. "The Philistine not only ignores all conditions of life which are not his own but also demands that the rest of mankind should fashion its mode of existence after his own", and "What is a philistine? A hollow gut, full of fear and hope that God will have mercy!"<br /><br />Jonathan Swift applied the term to a gruff bailiff in a lawsuit, and Richard Brinsley Sheridan applied the term to one of his characters, 'that bloodthirsty Philistine, Sir Lucius O'Trigger,' in The Rivals, 1775, but 'Philistine' really came to have its modern English secondary meaning, of a person deficient in the culture of the Liberal Arts beginning in the 1820s.<br /><br />Matthew Arnold was the champion of Victorian 'high culture' countering the forces of the Philistines. In his Essays in Criticism (1865) he pointed out (in his essay on the German poet Heinrich Heine) that "'Philistine' must have originally meant, in the mind of those who invented the nickname, a strong, dogged, unenlightened opponent of the children of the light." In fact German students applied it to the long-suffering townspeople of university towns. In another context Arnold wrote, 'The people who believe most that our greatness and welfare are proved by our being very rich... are just the very people whom we call the Philistines.' From his example, 'Philistine' passed into the enlightened liberal's armament of cultural scorn.<br /><br />Philistines can be described and defined from both positive and negative viewpoints.Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-86768122266946150492009-05-19T08:58:00.000-04:002009-05-19T08:58:00.000-04:00Well any chance you may have had on persuading any...Well any chance you may have had on persuading anyone on the income trusts issue has been squandered. <br /><br />What juvenile responses to well deserved criticisms. "I will respond any way I want" "duh"<br /><br />Seriously I am surprised the person writing the blog is old enough to have any money to be concerned about. <br /><br />Just a hint, it is a good idea to have your introdcutory paragraph related to the topic that you plan to discuss. It is supposed to introduce your topic. <br /><br />As for "Dr Mike", why would you write to Mark Steyn about income trusts? To my knowledge, he hasn't ever written on the matter. It was CAITI that irrationally made any connection between the two.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03043524233911346687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-56433213211397548282009-05-19T08:42:00.000-04:002009-05-19T08:42:00.000-04:00A Philistine "demands that the rest of mankind sh...A Philistine "demands that the rest of mankind should fashion its mode of existence after his own"<br /><br />The PhiliSteve Party of Canada??????????<br /><br />Dr MikeDr Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915911929286615081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-10711906974336134342009-05-19T06:50:00.000-04:002009-05-19T06:50:00.000-04:00William:
I will respond in any fasion that I wish...William:<br /><br />I will respond in any fasion that I wish......sorry to have dashed yor hopes that I would respond to the points being made by Steyn in his piece of arcane nonsense in which he devotes an entire rant to what amounted to (what?) soem 12 words that Iggy spoke, the consequence of which was (what?) nothing?<br /><br />Meanwhile I chose to respond by pointing out what I consider to be Harper's morally contemptible words, which is what the person who wrote to me asked me to do....after he read this piece by this guy.....Mark Steyn.....whomever the hell that is?.....or is it David Steyn?......maybe it's Phylis Steyn?Filliblusterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06563618107971013947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7141615629701321642.post-15857480008163712492009-05-19T05:55:00.000-04:002009-05-19T05:55:00.000-04:00Mark me as uninformed.
Who the hell is Mark Steyn...Mark me as uninformed.<br /><br />Who the hell is Mark Steyn??<br /><br />I had not heard of him until this blog article & I have since checked-out his site which seems "ok" at best.<br /><br />I will contact him & ask him the questions that Mr Fullard has posed re : income trusts.<br /><br />I will be interested in what facts he will present to back-up his case.<br /><br />Only thing I can be sure of right now , is that the there will probably be a few more than his "faithful" have presented here.<br /><br />Dr Mike PopovichDr Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16915911929286615081noreply@blogger.com