Tuesday, February 9, 2010

Brent Fullard: On the true abhorrence of vacuums

I abhor vacuums as much, if not more, than most people. Please read my testimony below before the Finance Committee’s Public Hearings on Income Trusts from January 30, 2007 in which I make that very point by stating that: “ Absence of facts creates a void. A void in logic. A void in purpose. A void in reason. We do not intend to fill this void with $35 billion of Canadians hard earned savings

Public Hearing Opening Comments:

Thank you for holding these hearings, and those responsible.

Five minutes is barely sufficient time to make the points I need to make,
hence the prepared comments.

Our association represents the interests of the 2.5 million Canadians who are
directly negatively affected by this policy and who are the ones who will
sustain the $35 billion hardship which the so called tax fairness plan will
inevitably result in. If only this policy had purpose and reason. Purpose and
reason supported by fact. Or to quote the Auditor General of Canada:
“parliamentarians need objective fact based information on how well the
government raises funds (read: taxes)”

We also represent the interests of the 70% of Canadians who, unlike our
elected representatives and the 280,000 civil service workers, are not
members of defined benefit pension plans.

We are the only association coming before you in these hearings to do so
representing the interests of Canadians in a way that is credible and free of
commercial influence. Please hold others to this standard, or at least take
this into consideration when weighing their testimony.

Providing for retirement income in a protracted low rate interest environment
is not an easy task by any means. This is why income trusts have emerged
as a popular retirement investment vehicle. The “made in Canada” income
trust phenomena is the product of INVESTOR PULL and not ISSUER PUSH.
This is why income trusts need to remain as a vibrant and sustainable part of
the Canadian capital markets going forward. People’s lifestyles and standards
of living are fundamentally at stake. Canadian’s lives and hard earned
savings should not be compromised to assist in the narrow interests of
Corporate Canada and many of its most influential persons regardless of their
last name, or what their privileged access to decision makers is.

The ability to introduce this tax legislation is made possible by only one
thing: the enabling document entitled: The Notice of Ways and Means Motion
to Amend the Income Tax Act. Therefore anyone who wishes to weigh in on
this debate and these public hearings needs to make their arguments in the
context of its five stated provisions. Issues tangential to these five provisions
are just that: TANGENTIAL ISSUES. Some tangential issues are perhaps
worthy of further study, however, the scope of this committee, in the limited
time you have allotted, needs to be focused on these five provisions.

Our Presubmission Document that was submitted 9 days ago and provided to
each of you in both official languages does just that. It is also available on
our website at www.caiti.info under the tab entitled “Public Hearings”. I call
upon the Committee Members to challenge me today on any of the points our
association has raised in this document that you do not agree with or that
you feel needs clarification or additional documented support. We need to
turn these public hearings into a debate not a speaker’s corner. Unless I am
challenged by you and until I withdraw any of these points, then I will
assume that our Presubmission Document stands as the authoritative voice
on the Tax Fairness Plan.

This is government in reverse. The government should be presenting Canada
with its thought process and supporting evidence which Canadians could then
challenge and subject to peer review. The burden of proof should rest with
the architects of the Tax Fairness Plan. Their seeming unwillingness and
failure to do so, simply makes the Tax Fairness Plan a false moniker being
advanced on five hollow constructs. Absence of facts creates a void. A void in
logic. A void in purpose. A void in reason. We do not intend to fill this void
with $35 billion of Canadians hard earned savings. Nor do we wish to lose the
only investment vehicle that has any hope of providing retired Canadians
with the ability to maintain their retirement lifestyle after they no longer
receive employment income.

I do not come before you as an advocate of Income Trusts, since only
licensed investment advisors are able to advise their clients on what
investment products best suit a given investor’s investment goals. This is
called the “know your client rule” and is the most fundamental rule that
underlies the Canadian investment industry. The Tax Fairness Plan is an
abrogation of this rule, as it will prevent Canadians from investing in what
they have determined best suits their investment needs.

Despite condemnations from our Prime Minister and or Minister of Finance
that Canada not become a “nation of coupon clippers”, the need for
retirement income will go on unabated, Canadians will simply turn to other
markets to fulfill these basic needs. TFP will result in a “flight” of Canadian
investment capital out of this country and into other markets like the US high
yield market, and Canadians will therefore be financing the growth and
prosperity of other economies, principally the US.

Meanwhile the Tax Fairness Plan has created the “perfect storm” for foreign
private equity investors and Canada’s largest pension plans to exploit. The
20% decline in market value and the inevitable forced sale of income trusts
as a result of the double taxation of RRSPs under this plan, will allow these
take out by foreign private equity buyers will induce the very outcome that
the Tax Fairness Plan professes to avoid, namely tax leakage, as all the
pretax cash flow that used to be fully taxed in the hands of Canadian
taxpaying investors will now flow free of taxes to foreign investors in foreign
tax jurisdictions.

You will be hearing testimony from Dennis Bruce of HLB Decision Economics
who will provide you with definitive knowledge about the source of tax leakage. He will reveal the true source of tax leakage. Tax leakage comes
from the Department of Finance’s methodology, not from income trusts. This
is because Finance ignores totally the retirement taxes that Canadians pay
on their retirement income. It’s that simple and it’s that wrong.

You needn’t take my word for it or even the word of Dennis Bruce. Perhaps
you would be willing to take Dr Jack Mintz’s word for it, who in private e-mail
correspondence with me in November 2006 stated:

“I do want to point out that there is a serious flaw in many of the analyses
especially on the taxation of pension and RRSP accounts. Finance was not
right to treat the impact as zero”

I’ll repeat that:

“Finance was not right to treat the impact as zero”

To make maters worse, Finance then uses this flawed analytical approach to
devise policies that are regressive to these very people, namely Canadians
saving for retirement. This is circular logic and results in what I call circular

So there you have it, the Tax Fairness Plan is unjust as well as being wholly

Unfortunately it only gets worse, since it is also inequitable.

Grossly inequitable, since this year’s brand of tax fairness unlike last year’s,
creates a special “carve out” that will permit pension plans to own private
trusts without taxation at the trust level. This is the very thing that
individuals are being denied from holding in their personal RRSPs
How so? The only distinction is that one is a “private trust” and the other is a
“public trust”. This raises a troubling question, and perhaps this is where the
“debate” on income trusts should begin:

“How is something that is being denied the average Canadian on the basis of
its presumed and yet unproven assertion of tax leakage be allowed to persist
for the exclusive benefit of those in the public civil service and others so

Thank you.

Brent Fullard
(Volunteer) President & CEO
Canadian Association of Income Trust Investors/Taxpayers



Dr Mike said...

Once Flaherty bribed the pension funds , the Provinces , Territories , & the NDP , their ignoring of the recommendations of the finance committee was a foregone conclusion.

We were cooked right from the start by a corrupt government , whose agenda was the removal of the public trust model to the detriment of the small investor.

Mr Flaherty made damn sure that he covered the bet for all of the "others".

We were doomed right from the time we marked an X beside our local "New" Conservative candidate.

Dr Mike Popovich

Daniel Miller said...

Once again the failed lobbyist Brent Fullard cannot get his facts straight.

Way to bring up a speech from 3 years because you have nothing new to offer.

Fillibluster said...


Your most recent comment confirms that you are a certifies loser and an idiot at large.

Didn't get my facts straight? These are facts you moron.....written down on paper no less.

Have nothing new to offer? Yeah right, everything I said in that speech THREE YEARS ago has proven to be true. Sorry to have been so prescient.

Meanwhile what has the government got in the way of "new" to offer, apart from 51 takeovers of income trusts by foreigners and non-taxable causing $1.5 billion in tax leakage to solve an illusory and false $0.5 billion tax leakage problem, that Flaherty claims is "not my fault"

Maybe that's the mantra you should adopt as well....."it's not my fault"...to avoid the embarrassment associated with all the inane and stupid things you say in your various absurd comments you leave here.

Dr Mike said...

Daniel , Daniel , Daniel my son.

How`s she goin

I need you to answer me one question.

What would have been the problem if all businesses went to the trust model??

I am sure the gov`t would not have minded the tripling of the tax revenues.

I am sure the CEOs of todays corporations would of had a freaking fit as their payment schedule to themselves would have been limited---they would have gotten over it.

So Dan the man , how`s about an answer.

Dr Mike Popovich